பெரியார் முழக்கம் - ஜூன் 2013

ஊழல் - பார்ப்பனர், உயர்ஜாதியினரே அதிகம்

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ஊழல் புரிவோரில் தாழ்த்தப்பட்டோர், பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டோரே அதிகம் என்று அஜீஸ் நந்தி என்ற எழுத்தாளர் கூற, அது ஊடகங்களில் விவாதிக்கப்படுகிறது. 1991 ஆம் ஆண்டு முதல் இதுவரை நடந்த முக்கிய ஊழல்களில் தொடர்பு உடையவர்கள் ஜாதி வாரிப் பட்டியல் வெளியிடப் பட்டுள்ளது. இதில் பார்ப்பனர், உயர்ஜாதியினரே அதிகம்.

1)    1991 - முத்திரைத் தாள் ஊழல் - 1. அப்துல் கரீம், டெல்லி (முஸ்லிம்), 2. சரத் பவார் (மராத்தி), 3. ஜகன் புஷ்பால் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

2)    91-92 - ஹவாலா ஊழல் - 1. ஹர்சத் மேத்தா (பனியா), 2. பி.வி. நரசிம்மராவ் (பார்ப்பனர்)

3)    91-92 - பாமாயில் இறக்குமதி ஊழல் - 1. கே. கருணாகரன் (மாரர்), 2. பி.ஜே. தாமஸ் (கிறுத்துவர்)

4)    1994 - சர்க்கரை இறக்குமதி ஊழல் - 1. கல்ப நாத்ராய் (பூமிஹார்)

5)    1995 - யூரியா ஊழல் - 1. பி.வி. நரசிம்மராவ் (பார்ப்பனர்), 2. பி.வி. நரசிம்மராவ் மகன் பிரபாகர் (பார்ப்பனர்), 3. பிரகாஷ் சந்திர யாதவ் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

6)    1996 - ஜெ.எம்.எம். ஊழல் - 1. பி.வி. நரசிம்மராவ் (பார்ப்பனர்), 2. சிபு சோரன் (பழங்குடியினர்)

7)    1996 - கால்நடை தீவன ஊழல் - 1. லாலுபிரசாத் யாதவ் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்), 2. ஜெகன்னாத் மிஸ்ரா (பார்ப்பனர்)

8)    1996 - காகித இறக்குமதி ஊழல் - 1. பி.வி. நரசிம்ம ராவ்(பார்ப்பனர்), 2.லக்குபாய் பதக் (பார்ப்பனர்)

9)    1996 - ஜெயின் ஹவாலா ஊழல் - 1. எல்.கே. அத்வானி (சிந்தி), 2. வி.சி. சுக்லா (பார்ப்பனர்), 3. பி.சிவசங்கர் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

10) கிரிக்கெட் மேட்ச் ஊழல் 1997, 2001 - 1. மனோஷ் பரிக்கர் (பார்ப்பனர்), 2. அசாருதீன் (முஸ்லிம்), 3. அஜாய் சடேசா (ராஜ்புத்), 4. நயன் மோங்கியா (கத்ரி).

11)   1997 - இந்தியன் வங்கி ஊழல் - 1. எம். கோபால கிருஷ்ணன் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்), 2. வரத ராஜன் (செட்டியார்), 3. சந்திரசாமி (பனியா)

12)   2001 - ஆசிரியர் நியமன ஊழல் - 1. சவுட்டாலா குடும்பத்தினர் (ஜாட்)

13)   2001 - டெகல்ஹா ஊழல் - 1. பங்காரு லஷ்மண் (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்), 2. ஜெயா சேட்லி (நாயர்), 3. சுரேஷ் நந்தா (கத்ரி)

14)   2001 - ஹவாலா மோசடி - கேத்தன் மேத்தா (பனியா)

15)   2002 - தாஜ்மகால் வணிக வளாகம் - மாயாவதி (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்)

16)   2002 - ஹோம் டிரேடு ஊழல் - சஞ்சய் அகர்வல் (பனியா)

17)   2001 - பரக் மிஸ்ஸைவ் - அட்மிரல் சுசில்குமார் (கிறித்துவர்)

18)   2002 - லவாஹா ஊழல் - 1. சுப்ரிய சூலே (மராத்தி), 2. சதானந்த் சூலே (பார்ப்பனர்)

19) ஆப்பரேஷன் வெஸ்ட் எண்ட் பால் அவுட் ஊழல் - 1. ஜார்ஜ் பெர்ணான்ட்ஸ் (கிறித்துவர்), 2. ஜஸ்டிஸ் புக்கான் குடும்பம் (சத்திரியா)

20)   2003 - ஆதர்ஷா வீடு ஒதுக்கீடு - 1. அசோக் சௌஹான் (குன்பி), 2. கர்னல் ஆர்.கே. பக்சி (பார்ப்பனர்)

21)   2003 - சத்தீஸ்ஹர் சுரங்க ஊழல் - திலிப் சிங்க் சூடே (பழங்குடியினர்)

22)   2005 – mplad திட்டத்தில் ஊழல் - 1. அலேமு சர்ச்சில் (கிறித்துவர்), 2. பாஹ்ஹன் குலேஸ்தே (பழங்குடியினர்), 3. ராம்ஸ்வரூப் கோலி (தாழ்த் தப்பட்டவர்), 4. சி.பி.சிங் (பழங்குடியினர்), 5. பி.என்.யாதவ் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்) 6. சக்தி மஹராஷ் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்) 7. இசாம் சிங் (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்).

23)   2005 - நாடாளுமன்றத்தில் கேள்வி கேட்பதற்கு லஞ்சம் - 1. எம்.கே. பாட்டில் (ராஜ்புத்), 2. ஒய்.ஜி. மஹாசன் (பனியா), 3. சுரேஷ் சண்டேல் (ராஜ்புத்), 4. பிரதீப் காந்தி (பனியா), 5. சி.பி.சிங் (பழங்குடியினர்), 6. டாக்டர் சத்ரபால் சிங் லோதா (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்), 7. நரேந்தர் குமார் குஷ்வாஹா (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்), 8. ராஜாராம் பால் (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்),  9. லால்சந்தர் கோல் (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்), 10. மனோஷ்குமார் (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்), 11. ராம் சேவக் சிங் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

24)   2005 - ஐ.பி.ஓ. டேமட் ஊழல் - ரூபால்பென் பாஞ்சால் (விஷ்வகர்மா)

25)   2005 - எண்ணெய்க்கு உணவு ஊழல் - கே. நட்வர் சிங் மற்றும் மகன் (ஜாட் மன்னர் பரம்பரை)

26)   2006 - ஸ்கார்ப்பனே ஒப்பந்த ஊழல் - 1. ரவிசங்கர் (கத்ரி), 2. அபிசேக் வர்மா (காயஸ்தா), 3. சித்தார்த் டைட்லர் (தத்ரி)

27)   2007 - உத்தரப்பிரதேச விவசாய நில ஊழல் - அமிதாப் பச்சன் (காயஸ்தா)

28)   2008 - நம்பிக்கை ஓட்டெடுப்பு ஊழல் - 1. அமர் சிங் (தாக்கூர்), 2. சுதீந்தர குல்கர்னி (பார்ப்பனர்), 3. அசோக் அர்கல் (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்), 4. மஹாவீர் சிங்க் பஹோரா (பழங்குடியினர்), 5. பஹ்ஹன் சிங்க் குவாஸ்தே (பழங்குடியினர்).

29)   2ஜி ஸ்பெக்ட்ரம் ஊழல் - 1. ஆ. ராசா (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்), 2. கனிமொழி (மிகவும் பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

30)   2009 - ஐ.பி.எல். ஊழல் - 1. லலித்மோடி (பனியா), 2. வசுந்தரராசே (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

31)   2009 - ஜார்க்கண்ட சுரங்க ஊழல் - மதுகோடா (பழங்குடியினர்)

32)   2009 - சத்யம் கம்ப்யூட்டர் ஊழல் - ராமலிங்க ராசு (சத்திரியா)

33)   2009 - கேரளா மின் ஊழல் - பிணராயி விஜயன் (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

34)   2010 - பூனா ஹவாலா ஊழல் - ஹசல் அலி கான் (முஸ்லிம்)

35)   2010 - காமன்வெல்த் போட்டி - 1. சுரேஷ் கல்மாடி (பார்ப்பனர்), 2. லலித் பானோட் (பார்ப்பனர்)

36)   2010 - தேசிய சுகாதார இயக்க ஊழல் - மாயாவதி (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்)

37)   2009-11 நொய்டா வீட்டுமனை ஊழல் - மாயாவதி (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்)

38)   2011 - ஏர்செல் மேக்சிஸ் ஊழல் - 1. தயாநிதி மாறன் (மிகவும் பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்) 2.கலாநிதி மாறன் (மிகவும் பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

39)   2011 - ஒபுலாபுரம் சுரங்க ஊழல் - ஜனார்த்தன ரெட்டி (பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டவர்)

40)   2011 - சொத்துக் குவிப்பு ஊழல் - ஜெகன்மோகன் ரெட்டி (கிறித்துவர்)

41)   2012 - யானை சிலை அமைப்பு ஊழல் - மாயாவதி (தாழ்த்தப்பட்டவர்)

42)   2012 - புர்ட்டி வழக்கு - நித்தின் கட்காரி (பார்ப்பனர்)

43)   2012 - உத்தரப்பிரதேச என்.ஜி.ஓ. நிதி முறைகேடு - 1. சல்மான் குர்ஷித் (முஸ்லிம்), 2. லூயிஸ் பெர்ணான்ட்ஸ் (கிறித்துவர்)

44)   2012 - நிலக்கரி சுரங்க ஒதுக்கீடு ஊழல் - 1. ஸ்ரீ பிரகாஷ் ஜெய்ஸ்லால் (பனியா), 2. விஷய் தார்தா (பனியா), 3. சுபோத்காந்த் சகாய் (காயஸ்தா)

45) ஹிமாச்சல பிரதேச சொத்து குவிப்பு வழக்கு - வீரபத்ர சிங்க் (ராஜ்புத்)

46) கர்நாடக நில ஊழல் - 1. பி.எஸ்.எடியூரப்பா (லிங்காயத்), 2. பி.எஸ். எடியூரப்பா மகன்-மருமகன் (லிங்காயத்) 3. ஜிண்டால் (பனியா)

இங்கே குறிப்பிட்டுள்ள 46 ஊழல் வழக்குகளில் சம்பந்தப்பட்டுள்ளவர்கள் சுமார் 100 பேர். அதில் பிற்படுத்தப்பட்டோர் - 16, தாழ்த்தப்பட்டோர் - 12, பழங்குடிப் பிரிவினர் - 8, முஸ்லிம் - 4, கிறித்துவர்கள் - 6. பார்ப்பனர் மற்றும் உயர் ஜாதியினர் - 56 பேர். ஆகவே 56 சதவிகித ஊழலில் சிக்கியுள்ள பார்ப்பன உயர்ஜாதிக்காரர்களை உற்று நோக்காமல், இதர பின்தங்கிய சமுதாயத்தைச் சேர்ந்தவர்கள்தான் அதிகம் ஊழல் புரிபவர்கள் என்ற அஜீஸ் நந்தியின் கூற்று மிகுந்த வேதனைக்குரியது. தவறான ஒன்றாகும். ஊழலுக்கு ஜாதியுமில்லை, மதமு மில்லை. அது தனி மனிதர்களின் செயல் பாடுகளைப் பொருத்துத்தான் உள்ளது.

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Comments

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Chandar
No Tamil Paarpaans ?
Rajendran
Huge number of Tamil brahmins are hidden behind all these corruptives; not only behind brahmincoppuptives, but also behind opprressed class corruptives, instigating and encouraging them.
villiyam
ஊழலிலும் இட ஒதுகீடு வேன்டும? பர்ப்பனர் உயர்சாதி அல்லாதவர் ஊழல் செய்வதை பொருத்துக் கொள்ளல் சமூக நீதியகிவிடுமா?
villiyam
ஊழல் செய்ததில் 58% ஊயர் சாதியய் இருப்பதர்க்கு காரனம் அவர்களில் அயோகியர் அதிகம்பேர் இருகின்றார்கள் என்ரு பொருள் அல்ல, உயர்மட்டத்தில் அவர்கள் அதிகம்பேர் இருக்கிரார்கள் என்பதும் இட ஒதுகீடு நடைமுறை படுத்தவில்லை என்பதையுமே காட்டுகிரது.
Chandar
@Rajendran, Good Joke :-).To be instigated and encouraged, are the other castes so naive ? Nalla thamaasu panreenga ponga LOL :-)
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! Other castes not neccessarily be naive to be instigated and encouraged for corruption. Their meagre number in the power centre, can threaten to subjugate to the brahmins.
இராமியா
திரு. வில்லியம் அவர்களே! அனைத்து வகுப்பு மக்களிலும் திறமையுடையவர்களும் திறமைக் குறைவானவர்களும் இருக்கும் போது உயர் சாதியினர் உயர்மட்டத்தில் அளவுக்கு மீறி அதிகமாக இருக்க முடிவதே அயோக்கியத்தனம் தானே? இந்த அயோக்கியதனத்திற்கு உயர் சாதியினரைத் தவிர மற்றவர்கள் உரிமை கொண்டாட முடியுமா?
Chandar
@Rajendran, Good Joke again :-). Thanks.
villiyam
அப்படியானல் இரமியா, ஊயர் மட்டத்தில் உயராத சாதியினர் அதிகம்பேர் இல்லாமல் இருப்பதற்கு இவர்களின் பெருந்தன்மைதான் காரனமா?
இராமியா
திரு.வில்லியம் அவர்களே! உயர்மட்டத்தில் ஒடுக்கப்பட்ட வகுப்பு மக்கள், தங்களுடைய உரிமையின் அளவிற்கு இடம் பெறாமல் இருப்பதற்கு, அவர்களுடைய அறியாமை காரணமாகும்.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! It may be a joke for the upper castes people. that the oppressed class people do not get due share (in fact drastically less than what they deserve) of power. But it is a pain for the oppressed class people.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Thanks. Who are oppressed people ? you mean BC, MBC, SC & ST ? But why hell are they fighting among themselves. Is it because of Tamil paarpaans ? what about the clerks who demand bribe at mid and lower levels. Now that there is a 69% reservation, the share of the bribe/power is 69%. What about that ? Even in remaining 31% atleast 90% are oppressed class. You mean to say all are instigated and encouraged by tamil paarpaans who are only 3%. Do you mean that the other 97% do not have brains to think of their own ?
Rajendran
The oppressed people get very meagre share in the national wealth (since the brahmins swindle a lot) which is not sufficient to meet enven a fraction of their needs. This leads to infighting while sharing it. Therefore brahmins alone are the reason for infighting among oppressed class. Where is 69% reservation? Is it not restricted to 50%? Even this 50% is not implemented in really powerful places. Don't try to show non powerful posts occupied by oppressed class and due share is given. The brahmins have power with them and threaten others. First let their be power sharing among all the class proportional to their population.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Innum evalavu naal edhae paata paada poreenga ? Azhudhu kondum, ungalukkul adithu kondum irunga. Ennudaya vaazhthukkal :-)
Chandar
@Rajendran, I see a lots of posts in this site, describing Brahmins as 'bayandhaangoli' and all sorts. But seeing your posts, I must say that you believe brahmins are brave,courageous,powerfu,strong and calculative. For a 3% to control 97% these qualities are a must. Engeyo idikudhae ? Same side goal podareengala ?
Guest
//@Rajendran: Innum evalavu naal edhae paata paada poreenga ? Azhudhu kondum, ungalukkul adithu kondum irunga. Ennudaya vaazhthukkal :-)// What to do Mr.Chandar? In whole history of world oppressing class had /has always exploited the helplesness of oppressed people. Only by educating them, which is a very difficult task, we have to come up. Till then you can continue to laugh.
Guest
//@Rajendran, I see a lots of posts in this site, describing Brahmins as 'bayandhaangoli' and all sorts. But seeing your posts, I must say that you believe brahmins are brave,courageous,powerfu,strong and calculative.// Fearless and brave people do not indulge in cunning tactics. Brahmins are cowards as you have been informed. That is why they indulg in cunning tactics. //For a 3% to control 97% these qualities are a must. Engeyo idikudhae ? Same side goal podareengala ?// எங்கேயும் இடிக்கவில்லை. உண்மை அப்படித் தான் இருக்கிறது. புரிந்து கொள்ள மறுப்பவர்கள் என்ன வேண்டுமானாலும் பேசலாம்.
Chandar
@Anonymous, Rajendran and everyone: Continue to crib, crib crib. You are mistaking smartness for cunningness. Evalavu eda odhukkeedu koduththaalum, evvalavu, thookki vaithaalum, unga janam ippadiththaan irukkum. LOL :-)
Rajendran
நண்பரே! இக்கட்டுரையிலேயே 2ஜி ஊழல் பற்றிப் பேசப்பட்டுத் தானே இருக்கிறது?
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! It is not smartness. It is only cunningness only. Please see இராமியா's feedback dt. 1.7.2013.
R Chandrasekaran
ஒரே நரசிம்மா ராவ் பெயர திரும்ப திரும்பப் போட்டு எல்லாம் பாப்பான்தான் ஜாஸ்தின்னா... அப்பறம் 2ஜி பத்தி பேச வேண்டிருக்கும் பரவாயில்லையா.....
Chandar
@Rajendran: I have read that and also read the subsequent answers. So it is ignorance and not paarpaan's cunningness, that is the reason for poor representation. Now tell me, if BC,MBC,SC and STs are so naive to be ignorant. I think it is the arrogance and ego that pulls these communities down and you cannot blame paarpaans for that. Divya and Ilavarasan's matter is a very very simple example for the arrogance of the so called BC, MBC, SC/ST. Naanga karai yerittom, neenga eppo ?
Rajendran
It is simple fact that nobody can deny that competent people are there in all communities. Therefore if no evil forces act, all the community people should be represented in all levels. But fact is to the contrary. This itself is a clear proof that the brahmins are the evil force spoilin the society. Simply because you name it as smartness, it can not be smartness. If proper arrangement is made to able all the community people to represent at all levels (inclduing that the incompetent brahmins do no escape from jobs having no power, less pay and heavy physical labour) things will get set right.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Again cribing ? We know who are the evil forces who carry caste based hatred all over their head and thoughts with the current happening in Tamilnadu. It is certainly not paarpaans and If you deny that then I cannot help it. It shows your refusal to accept reality. The arrangement you mentioned is in the form of reservation and if you are not utilizing that(you may argue it is denied), it is your fault rather than paarpaan's. If you still think that 3% paarpaans control 97% apaarpaans, then you are seriously suffering from severe inferiority complex.
Rajendran
If a wound is not healing due to diabetics and continue to treat without attending diabetic problem, it is wrong process. Simillarly without ending brahmins domination, the caste enmity will not end. You yourself confess that reservation is denied. Our people do not understand it. By the bye, why do you evade answering how the brahmins dominate all high position, while deserving pople are ther in all communities?
Chandar
@Rajendran: Where did I confess ? Please read again my post. '(you may argue it is denied)'. BTW I am not evading any of your questions. Paarpaans dominate in high positions because they are smart,calculative, brave and transparent. Apaarpaans fail because of their arrogance and ego.
Rajendran
You are saying that //Paarpaans dominate in high positions because they are smart,calculative, brave and transparent.// which means reservation is denied. Is not a confession? Further //smart,calculative, brave and transparent.// are not the properties of brahmins alone. Nature has conferred them to all people. You conveniently hide this fact and argue. Frthe you are evading all questions for which answer will be all brahmins without exception are socially wicked.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Nondi kudhiraikku sarukkunadhu saakku. //Paarpaans dominate in high positions because they are smart,calculative, brave and transparent.// I was describing about paarpaans in high position and you took it as confession that reservation was denied. //smart,calculative, brave and transparent.// 95% paarpaans have this qualities. I agree nature has conferred to all communities. I have never denied the fact that apaarpaans also possess these qualities, but please read that I have clearly mentioned that apaarpaans fail because of their 'arrogance and ego'. I still say: ' If you still think that 3% paarpaans control 97% apaarpaans, then you are seriously suffering from severe inferiority complex'.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar. you are contradicting your own words. If you agree nature conferred all qualities to all communities, then the representaion in all levels also should be by all communities even without reservation. The brahmins by cunning means and misusing the state power occupy the high positions. You name it as smart, calculative, brave and transparent. Wherever non brahmins had got chance, they have proved better skills thn brahmins. Even after this, if they do not get chance it is only due to social wickedness of brahmins. You say that I/we are suffering from inferiority complex. But in reallity only the brahmins are suffering from inferiority complex. They are very much afraid that if the oppressed class people get chance, then incompetence of brahmins would be exposed.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Ungal uyarvu ungal kaiyil. I have never contradicting my words. I have clearly mentioned that 'apaarpaans also possess these qualities, but fail because of their 'arrogance and ego. Again I am repeating, if you think that you are suppressed by 3% then you are seriously suffering from irreversible inferior complex. // Wherever non brahmins had got chance, they have proved better skills thn brahmins// - I agree that interms of 2G fiasco - kalakiteenga ponga..
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! //Ungal uyarvu ungal kaiyil// It is a clear statement that you do not consider oppressed people as fellow citizens. Immediately do not crib that we are sailing in the same boat. Ours are only reation to your wickedness.//I have clearly mentioned that 'apaarpaans also possess these qualities, but fail because of their 'arrogance and ego.// Do you believe brahmins are free from 'arrogance and ego? //Again I am repeating, if you think that you are suppressed by 3% then you are seriously suffering from irreversible inferior complex.// If the oppressed class people are coming up for ashort period you contention may be correct. If they are not able to come up for geneations your contention is wrong. //I agree that interms of 2G fiasco - kalakiteenga ponga..// 2G scams are by your slaves with your strong support. Also do you seriously believe that it is mor than those of scams by brahmins? If you are really a reasonable heman being why not you act for all the community people represent at all level, including that the incompetent brahmins do not escape from the jobs having no power, less paid and with heavy physical labour?
Rajendran
The reservation mentioned by you is only for powerless jobs. Even with these powerless jobs, they have proved better than brahmins. Tamil having more doctors from oprressed communities stands top in health trade. People all over from the world coming to Tamil Nadu for treatment. Delhi and other north Indian parts where reservation was not implemented could not do this. From this one should come to the conclusion that reservation is the only way if competent persons are needed. //you want some ones help for to raise // No. We want to prevent those from pushing down us. You brahmins do not answer the question how incompetent brahmins escape from doing jobs with no power, less paid, and having heavy physical labour. You want us to believe that you are winning because of your competency which can never be true. Still you want us to believe it and accept and endure your social wickedness in silence. //You want to knock down the one who is running in front, so that you can lead.// You feel like this because of your utmost inferiority complex. What we say is let competent persons from all communities attend top level jobs; Those who are having less competency (from all communities) do low level jobs. What is preventing you from accepting this? //Dont blame Brahmins for anything and everything. Ungal uyaruvum, thaazhvum ungal kaiyil, matravar kaiyil illai. Matravar kaiyai nambinaal adharku peyar ungalukkae therium// We are not blaming brahmins for anything and everything We are balaming them for their anti national activities only. With state power with them they do not allow competent people from other communities to climb up and waste human resource. They protect incompetent brhamins at high level which causes inefficiency in administration destroying national progress. //Again I am telling that if you think 3% of Brahmins are capable enough to control 97% of others, then it is a serious case of inferiority complex// Because you repeat the lie again and again it can not be true. 3% brahmins are having state power with them. That is the reason for their uphandedness. //go and see the labourers in Simpson and TVS most of them are brahmins, my father was one of them - go to youtube videos that shows what other physical labour that brahmins work. Brahmins representation is present in every labour, every sphere, top positions to bottom positions.// Can you kindly give up all these jobs to the oppressed community people. They can be provided with jobs like LPG gas cylinder delivery persons, rickshaw pullers, drainage cleaners and so on. //Brahmins in bottom position are still considered forward caste and no reservations are given for them - yet they survive and come up. I don’t have to help them out.// You are already enjoying reservations more than 100% requirement by your state power. You are not able digest a very few of oppressed community people got pittance of power. You are very much afraid that if more oppressed community people come up your inability will be exposed.
Chandar
@Rajendran: BC, MBC, SC, STs in TN are enjoying reservation for the past 70yrs, the peak period is the last 3 decades. Even after that, if you want some ones help for to raise you people, clearly shows your mentality. Most Brahmins are running a pure race - see in front and go - keep running. But you people want someone to push from behind. Even that is not enough for you people. You want to knock down the one who is running in front, so that you can lead. When you lose or cannot over take, then you start to crib, crib, crib. Dont blame Brahmins for anything and everything. Ungal uyaruvum, thaazhvum ungal kaiyil, matravar kaiyil illai. Matravar kaiyai nambinaal adharku peyar ungalukkae therium. Again I am telling that if you think 3% of Brahmins are capable enough to control 97% of others, then it is a serious case of inferiority complex. // If you are really a reasonable heman being why not you act for all the community people represent at all level, including that the incompetent brahmins do not escape from the jobs having no power, less paid and with heavy physical labour?// - go and see the labourers in Simpson and TVS most of them are brahmins, my father was one of them - go to youtube videos that shows what other physical labour that brahmins work. Brahmins representation is present in every labour, every sphere, top positions to bottom positions. Brahmins in bottom position are still considered forward caste and no reservations are given for them - yet they survive and comeup. I dont have to help them out.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Brahmins come without anyone's help and other's come up only with reservations. I think you agree for it. So I think who comes up only with help is surely inferior than the one who comes up by themselves. Thanks for agreeing. Chennai is best for its healthcare, no doubt about it.It is not due to the reservations. Reservations bring quality down. Always down. if you see majority of them are coming from forward community and brahmins. Please go and check the list of doctors. //Can you kindly give up all these jobs to the oppressed community people. They can be provided with jobs like LPG gas cylinder delivery persons, rickshaw pullers, drainage cleaners and so on.// Nee ennappa andha velaya kudukurathu, andha velaya,pee allum velaya kooda brahmanan kadamai unarchiodu seivaan. Check Youtube videos if you wish to. //You are already enjoying reservations more than 100% requirement by your state power// - 69% percent ida othukeeu, madhiyil 50% ida othikeedu irundhum, 100% brahmins thaan state power enjoy panraangannu solradhukku ungalukku vekkamaga illai ? kadivaalam kattina kudhirai maathiri kuruttu thanamaa odittae irunga, ungalai yaaralum munnetravae mudiyaathu.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! You are serioulsly wrong. brahmins come up by wicked means. Others come up by rightful struggle. //It is not due to the reservations. Reservations bring quality down. Always down. if you see majority of them are coming from forward community and brahmins. Please go and check the list of doctors// Again you are seriously wrong. Only because doctors of oppressed have come up chennai has become top in health trade. You please check the list of doctors. Reservation alone will help to select competent persons. Time has proved that open competition select only inefficient brahmins and avoid selecting competent canditates from oppressed communities.//Nee ennappa andha velaya kudukurathu, andha velaya,pee allum velaya kooda brahmanan kadamai unarchiodu seivaan. Check Youtube videos if you wish to.// Please give the list of brahmins working as LPG cylinder deliver persons. rickahspollars, draingae cleaners. //kadivaalam kattina kudhirai maathiri kuruttu thanamaa odittae irunga, ungalai yaaralum munnetravae mudiyaathu.// Mr.Chandar this description fits you and other brahmins only. You are not replying the question how braminis alone are selected for higher position while intellectual is conferred to people of all community. கடிவாளம் கட்டபட்ட குதிரை போல் வேறு எதையும் கவனிக்காமல் 'பார்ப்பனர்கள் பத்திசாலிகளாக இருப்பதால் முன்னுக்கு வருகிறார்கள்' என்ற பொய்யைச் சிறிம் கூச்சம் இல்லாமல் திரும்பத் திரும்பக் கூறிக் கொண்டே இருக்கிறீர்கள். You very well know that reservations policy is not implemented at all for jobs having decision making power. Still you are cribbing that we enjoy reservation.
Chandar
@Rajendran: BC: 30% (including Mudaliyar, Nadar, Chettiar etc), MBC 20% including(Vanniar etc). These are the so called aanda parambarai. These communities were, are and will be powerful in Tamilnadu. Now safely these communities also get reservation. Most of the suppression comes from these communities(I dont think so, I should give a proof here) and easily pass the blame on brahmin community. All the rich people of these communities also enjoy the reservations shamelessly. You people know this better than me, but will just play safe, by blaming the brahmins. Reservations / Scholarships should be purely based on economic background. But what to do, we have a book full of jaathis and only these 97% vote is going to decide the rule. Back to corruption: It is the Indian mentality of take it easy that is the root cause of corruption. There are very good laws to prevent this. But the system that should enforce these laws itself is corrupted. So we are helpless. What we can do as individual is avoid giving lanjam and avoid taking lanjam and try to percolate the value the family and friends. Anyway, thanks chatting with you. Bye.
Rajendran
Mr. chandar! //These communities were, are and will be powerful in Tamilnadu// Say powerful in Tamil Nadu in all powerless matters. These "ruled/ruling" class and other such people in other parts of the country can not move even a micro milli meter in powerful matters like occupying PM office. President office, RBI, Atomic Research Institutes and other High Tech institutes, in spite of the fact that intellectual is conferred on them also. //Now safely these communities also get reservation// You know very well that these people (because intellectual is conferred on all people) should get their share even withour reservation; whereas even though reservation policy is stated to be there, they could not enter in these area. //Reservations / Scholarships should be purely based on economic background.// In India oppression is drastically more based on varna/caste than economic status. Therefore remedy also should be based on Varna/caste. It is a simple logic. You too know it; but not to leave the repression measures you talk like this. //we have a book full of jaathis and only these 97% vote is going to decide the rule.// Do you seriously believe that voters are really the rulers? //the system that should enforce these laws itself is corrupted// You know very well that state power is vested with brahmins only. Therefore you can easily conclude brahmins alone are source and strength of corruption. By the bye you have not given the list of brahmins working as LPG cylinder delivery persons, rickshaw pullers, drainage cleaners.
Chandar
@Rajendran: // By the bye you have not given the list of brahmins working as LPG cylinder delivery persons, rickshaw pullers, drainage cleaners// - Please go and check youtube videos for that. By the way, If you are not getting it or if you do not know to search, I will provide you with the link. If you still are in acceptance that brahmins cannot be replaced from powerful position by 'aanda parambarai', even with reservation, then I should really be proud to be a brahmin :-) and no one can help your inferiority complex. Bye @Rajendran.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! I am not getting the details. For that matter, not only myself some group of people had announced a prize scheme also and could not get such detail. If you can give the detail, it may be the first of its kind in the world. //If you still are in acceptance that brahmins cannot be replaced from powerful position by 'aanda parambarai', even with reservation, then I should really be proud to be a brahmin :-) and no one can help your inferiority complex. Bye @Rajendran.// I don't know whether I don't know English to make you understand or you don't know English to understand. Several time I have stated that brahmins attained high position by wicked means. The 'aanda parambarai' you are telling is not really aanda parambarai though you call so or they themselves call so. You know it well. Still you are telling it. //You know very well that these people (because intellectual is conferred on all people) should get their share even withour reservation; whereas even though reservation policy is stated to be there, they could not enter in these area.// You are not listening even this point which shows the brahmins are suffered by very very ... very severe inferiority complex. You (i.e. all brahmins withour exception) are very much very very ... very afraid that if oppressed people get chances in high positions all your cribbing activities will come to an end.
Chandar
@Rajendran: I can only say that, for any living being to strive, it needs to eat, for eating you have to get hunger and for getting hunger you need to keep looking, searching. Theduthal irunthaal thaan vaazhkaiyil munnera mudiyum. I dont see that hunger in you. Take this weekend's time and search in google, youtube and all the tools that you could use in web. If you are not finding, please let me know, I will give you the link. Most of the brahmins are courageous. It is only the policy that 'Dhushtarai kandaal dhoora vilagu' has been followed by many. When things start to exceed, brahmins have always been the whistleblowers. //The 'aanda parambarai' you are telling is not really aanda parambarai though// are they 'penda parambarai' ? I think, in this discussion, I got two terminologies, penda parambarai and apaarpaans, thanks for that. Appuram, englisha pathi pesaadheenga boss. We are travelling on the same boat. You keep searching this weekend. Happy weekend.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! You would not have forgotten the milk miracle hoax in the year 1995. While some rationale people condemned the hoax, some of your people condemned them for saying this without testing the so called miracle. Your request to search is on the same line. What you are asking me to search for is being searched for years. //Most of the brahmins are courageous. It is only the policy that 'Dhushtarai kandaal dhoora vilagu' has been followed by many.// It is irony that while brahmins are wicked they call others ‘Dhushtar’, //When things start to exceed, brahmins have always been the whistleblowers.// No, Mr..Chandar! Brahmins are always (not When things start to exceed) vigil to be wicked, to cover up their inferiority complex.// I think, in this discussion, I got two terminologies, penda parambarai and apaarpaans,// You only have invented these terminologies. So thank yourself.
Chandar
@Rajendran: The milk propoganda was more believed by the penda parambaraii. Only few brahmins believed. Adhu eppadi sir motta thalaikkum, muzhangaalukkum sambandam pola, edhukko, edhaiyo pesareenga ? adhuvum base illama. Search panna theriyalaina sollunga, link kodukuraen. I think you have started to now grow up after this discussion and learnt a word inferiority complex. You people for years together, would not have realized that you were in a complex situation called inferiority complex. One question, you always tell that since brahmins are already in higher position, you are not able to come up. Which brahmin, pulled you down ? Ungalla evalavu pera brahmanan, kaalai vaari vitturukkaan. Odane elloraiyumnu solladheenga. Appadi sonna, ungalukku serious inferiority complexnu accept pannadhu pol aagum.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! it is not correct. Milk miracle was purported, propagated and celebrated by brahmins and slaves of brahmins. Others (innocent non brahmins) just followed. Some innocent people made fun of it also. Knowing well what is ‘motta thalai’ and what is ‘muzhangaal’ and that I have not said anything unrelated you want others should be confused. Please read well my wordings. It is not necessary to check whether an idol will drink milk because it is crystal clear fact that it will not. But your people condemned for saying it without testing it. Similarly it is crystal clear fact that the brahmins do not wok as LPG cylinder delivery persons or rickshaw pullers or drainage cleaners. Refusing to understand, you talk something unrelated and say that I am talking something unrelated. It is brahmins’ strategy. But you should have at least an iota of reasoning before applying your strategy to persons who know brahmins wickedness and avoid embarrassment. // I think you have started to now grow up after this discussion and learnt a word inferiority complex. You people for years together, would not have realized that you were in a complex situation called inferiority complex// Mr.Chandar! How are you able to think so cheap? How do you think the word inferiority complex to be learnt by me from this feed back? I know that brhmins are in inferiority complex that if others are given chance, their inability will come to light and therefore they misuse the state power to avoid the same. Don’t think that I came to know it from you. Your other relatives and friends had showed it long ago. // Which brahmin, pulled you down ? Ungalla evalavu pera brahmanan, kaalai vaari vitturukkaan. Odane elloraiyumnu solladheenga. Appadi sonna, ungalukku serious inferiority complexnu accept pannadhu pol aagum.// Your question is wrong. You can ask which brahmin is not pulling down? To cite an example please see the orders of Madras High Court dt 25.7.2013. CBI is ordered to probe into IIT-M appointments from 1995 to 200. The case is Dr.Vasantha Madam, Dept. of Mathematics was to be promoted as Asst, Prof. in IIT – M. She was qualifying in all respects even if reservation is not considered. But brhmins inferiorly qualified in all respects, including seniority, were promoted. This is only an iota of wickedness of brahmins. Please try to answer, ‘when intellect is conferred on all community people, how are the brahmins alone selected for important posts?’ There can be no answer other than wickedness of brahmins..
Chandar
@Rajendran: Edhayo theda sonna, thevaiyillamal, edho oru udhaaranam kodukureenga, idha thaan motta thalaikkum, muzhangalukkum mudichchunnu solvanga. Idhaiyum ippathaan kaththukeereenga polirukku. Ungalukku theda theriyalainu oththukunga, linka poduraen. Ungalukku link thevai illannu sonna ungalukku unmaiya therinjukka viruppam illannu aakidum. //slaves of brahmins(97%)// Idhu thaampa inferiority complexnnu solvaanga. Previously you learnt the word, now learn the meaning. //To cite an example please see the orders of Madras High Court dt 25.7.2013. CBI is ordered to probe into IIT-M appointments from 1995 to 200. The case is Dr.Vasantha Madam, Dept. of Mathematics was to be promoted as Asst, Prof. in IIT – M. She was qualifying in all respects even if reservation is not considered.// - Brahmanan Idhukku eppadippa karanam aanaan ?
Rajendran
//Edhayo theda sonna, thevaiyillamal, edho oru udhaaranam kodukureenga, idha thaan motta thalaikkum, muzhangalukkum mudichchunnu solvanga.// Mr.Chandar! You are asking to search for something non existance. //Previously you learnt the word, now learn the meaning.// You are boasting too much of yourself. //Brahmanan Idhukku eppadippa karanam aanaan ?// Don't pretend as if you don't know. The irregulaties are committed by brahmins. The beneficiaries are brahmins. Affected pesron belongs to oppressed community. Even a person with well below average I.Q., can understand that wickedness of brahmins which is playing all over our society, has played here also. Please try to answer, ‘when intellect is conferred on all community people, how are the brahmins alone selected for important posts?’ There can be no answer other than wickedness of brahmins/. But you are not at all doing this; but asking me to search for some thing non existance, as your people asked to test whether the stone idol drinks milk.
Chandar
http://www.ifih.org/ThePlightofBrahmins.htm http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-news/UttarPradesh/Are-Brahmins-today-s-Dalits-in-India/Article1-221926.aspx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKG8yx3qmIQ I hope that you will have the time to copy and paste in an address link bar @Rajendran - It is not something non-existent, but it is something that you refuse to see. Despite not getting any type of reservation or help, smart brahmins will still occupy top posts only by their education and smartness(wickedness as you say). Non educated brahmins will do menial jobs and continue to be treated as forward castes. OBCs will continue to suppress pure SCs/STs. Rich BC/MBC will always rule the poor and continue to get 51%. And you will continue to feel that 97% is controlled by 3%
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! If it is true, why brahmins are opposing proprtionate reservation? If proportionate reservation is implemented all community people can get their share in the nation's wealth. But only the brahmins opposing it vehemently. It shows that what are all they project as their suffering is not true; but only propoganda tricks.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! There should be a limit to pretend even.First do you believe these episodes? Don't you know these are publicity stunt to keep oppressed people in illusions? Next point. Why do you think proportionate reservation is not implementable practically? Why should proportionate reservation should be considered based on countless castes and sub castes? Why not it be based on BC, MBC, SC, ST and religous minorities divisions? If the enormous portion of national wealth being swindled by brahmins is put on a hold, is it not a googd begining? If at all there happens an uneven sharing among BC, MBC, SC, ST and religious minorities, can not it be rectified? Why do you expect, just because there is a tiny practical problem that too easily solveble, the exploitation by brhamins should be perpetuated? Last, again and again you are saying you do not have numerical strentgh. Already I have explained that you strength is state power. How is that it does not reach you understanding at all?
Chandar
@Rajendran: If you think it is a publicity stunt and propaganda tricks, I cannot help. Regarding proportionate reservation, here is a link that shows the caste subdivision of BC/MBC and DNC. From page 7 - 17 there are caste names: http://www.tn.gov.in/rti/proactive/bcmbc/handbook-bcmbc.pdf Do you think, that we can achieve a fair proportionate reservation with 'N' number of jaathis ? BTW I dont think that brahmins were the sole reason to have this much divided society. Brahmins never had the numerical strength or the brute power that other communities possess.
Chandar
@Rajendran: First you said that brahmins in mennial work is non existent, then you said that you will not be able to search something non existent. Now that I have given you the link, you started saying that it is all propaganda tricks. I think you are not willing to accept the truth. // Why should proportionate reservation should be considered based on countless castes and sub castes? Why not it be based on BC, MBC, SC, ST and religous minorities divisions?// - Yenappa maathi maathi pesareenga ? If there are 1000 caste, all of them should get equal chance. Neenga thaan boss sonneenga. Ippo BC, MBC, SC/ST nnu kadhai vidureenga ?//If the enormous portion of national wealth being swindled by brahmins is put on a hold, is it not a googd begining? If at all there happens an uneven sharing among BC, MBC, SC, ST and religious minorities, can not it be rectified? Why do you expect, just because there is a tiny practical problem that too easily solveble, the exploitation by brhamins should be perpetuated? Last, again and again you are saying you do not have numerical strentgh. Already I have explained that you strength is state power. How is that it does not reach you understanding at all?// Again you are showing your inferiority complex :-). Manja kaamala pudichcha kannala paatha, yellam manjala theriyumaam !
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! //First you said that brahmins in mennial work is non existent, then you said that you will not be able to search something non existent. Now that I have given you the link, you started saying that it is all propaganda tricks// Yes. There is no contradiction at all. //Yenappa maathi maathi pesareenga ? If there are 1000 caste, all of them should get equal chance. Neenga thaan boss sonneenga. Ippo BC, MBC, SC/ST nnu kadhai vidureenga // Your statement shows your clear intention that the oppressed community people should have infight among themselves and the brahmins use them as binefire. //Again you are showing your inferiority complex :-). Manja kaamala pudichcha kannala paatha, yellam manjala theriyumaam !// Your fear to face my questions and shirking by saying inferiority complex proves your inferiority complex.
Chandar
@Rajendran: //Your statement shows your clear intention that the oppressed community people should have infight among themselves and the brahmins use them as binefire// - Brahmins are not reason for this. It is the so called arrogant penda parambarai communities who are the reason behind your infighting. Think clearly and you will realize it. Casteist parties started to prop only in these 20-30yrs and they are responsible for all your suppression,oppression and depression and not brahmins. It is very simple to pass on the blame to a brahmin and you are doing that. When are you planning to stop this cribbing, in another 20year, 30year or until all the brahmins are evacuated from India ? //Your fear to face my questions and shirking by saying inferiority complex proves your inferiority complex.// yes, we are inferior in numbers but not in confidence and the intention to survive and come up.
Rajendran
mr.Chandar! //Brahmins are not reason for this. It is the so called arrogant penda parambarai communities who are the reason behind your infighting// Are not the brahmins swindling the rights of the oppressed community people? While the brahmins take away their others share enormously, the affected people while sharing the left out meagre share, fight among themselves due to insufficientness. If the swindling of brahmins brought to and end, there will be no infighting. Think clearly and you will realize it. //Casteist parties started to prop only in these 20-30yrs// But brahmins are swindling from time immemorial. //It is very simple to pass on the blame to a brahmin// No. Mr. Chandar! It is very difficult to make our people to understand truth. That is the reason you people talk like this. //When are you planning to stop this cribbing, in another 20year, 30year or until all the brahmins are evacuated from India // Wild imagination you like to thrust on us. Brahmins' power roots in India and in Indian society only. You are not agreeing to proportionate reservation which will give you due share; but want to continue your exploiting system only. It is strange you talk about your evacuaton. It is someting like a thief drives others shouting 'thief, thief''. //yes, we are inferior in numbers but not in confidence and the intention to survive and come up.// Instead of saying this, you might have said your don't understand English properly or you might have expressed your unwillingness to talk reallity.
Chandar
@Rajendran AKA English professor: Sorry, I will not be able to write english like you or understand. When brahmins comeup in higher position, you will just say they swindle the wealth, power, what can I say here. The society can only be like its masses and the masses is 97% and is totally rotten. Whatever link that I give, you will easily writeoff it saying that it is cooked up and always in a denial mode. The 97% is brought up by hating a single community and easily put the blame on them, instead of looking into the actual reason. For the past 40years, a type of ethnic cleansing of brahmins is happening in Tamilnadu. But with no reservation/no help from the government or any source, we brahmins are finding new arenas to survive, without compromising on our ethics. Still you want to Crib. Crib professor. No point in talking to genius(LOL) like you. Bye..
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! //When brahmins comeup in higher position, you will just say they swindle the wealth, power, what can I say here.// Please make a correction. When brahmins come up in higher position very very drastically more than they deserve, they are criticised. //The society can only be like its masses and the masses is 97% and is totally rotten.// It is because the brahmins swindle enormous wealth of the nation by misusing state power and continue to do so. //Whatever link that I give, you will easily writeoff it saying that it is cooked up and always in a denial mode// Hoiw to believe all these lies? In all important posistions brahmins alone are able to enter even if they are not deserving. When such number of people occupy high positions, where are people left out to do such low level jobs? If at all there is an iota of truth, even then what should be done? You should think how to increase the brahmins population in these fields and also such other low level jobs by filling them by thebrahmins having low I.Q . Also you should think how to decrease the number of brahmins in higher positions, because non deseraing brahmins occupy there. //The 97% is brought up by hating a single community and easily put the blame on them, instead of looking into the actual reason.// Please touch your conscious and look out for the truth. Are not the brahmins the only reason for all unjustiable inequalities in Indian society? //For the past 40years, a type of ethnic cleansing of brahmins is happening in Tamilnadu.// How are you able to cook up such a unimaginative joke? //But with no reservation/no help from the government or any source, we brahmins are finding new arenas to survive,// Your strength is state power. Also you have genocided others intellectual by refusing education and continue to refuse education. Are you not able to understand this is the biggest crime ever in the world? //without compromising on our ethics// Ethics? Ethics in brahmins' soul? You people do not consider oppressed community poeple as human beings. If you have an iota of good ethic, then you should immediately take steps to drastically reduce the brahmins occupation in higher position to the proportion to your population. Simultaneously brahmins occupation in low level jobs should drastically increased to match the proportion to their population. So long as they are not agreeing to this, they proe beyond doubt that they have no good ethics at all. //Still you want to Crib. Crib professor. No point in talking to genius(LOL) like you. Bye..// Being adamant that brahmins alone should be in high position, in spite of the fact that intelect is conferred to the people all community is cribbing. Acting against this atrocity is not cribbing.
Chandar
@Rajendran AKA Professor: //Are not the brahmins the only reason for all unjustiable inequalities in Indian society?// I dont know for how many years will you play the song again again and again. This itself proves your hate towards brahmins and you simply turn a blind eye to oppression caused by feudal communities of BC, MBC and even the so called SC. In whole of India the so called communal riots based on caste is by OBCs and SCs and not brahmins. You very well know that, but you are always in a denial mode, because of your hatred towards brahmins. I do not need to prove this, but you will get 100 of articles in Keetru itself. if you want I can give you the link //Ethics in brahmins' soul?// I cannot help this, but majority of brahmins follow strict ethics and morals. Your heart knows this, but you will not accept because of your hatred towards brahmins.// If you have an iota of good ethic, then you should immediately take steps to drastically reduce the brahmins occupation in higher position to the proportion to your population. // Because of their good moral, ethics and education, brahmins are in high position. What ethics and iota will it be to bring down brahmins ? - Instead why cant you work hard to cultivate morals and ethics in other communities for their upliftment. You have reservation, concession, scholarship and hell lot of other things and still want to bring brahmins down for your upliftment - what kind of mean and silly thinking you have man ?' Growup man.. Sorry to say this, but with this type of mindset, you will not be able to comeup even in another 2 centuries also.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! //I dont know for how many years will you play the song again again and again. // Till your atrocities end. //This itself proves your hate towards brahmins// and you Do you expect the oppressed people should love the oppressors? //you simply turn a blind eye to oppression caused by feudal communities of BC, MBC and even the so called SC.// It is, as if the wolf on the upper side of the river shouted at the lamb at the lower side, that the lamb has dirtied the water coming to the wolf. //You very well know that, but you are always in a denial mode, because of your hatred towards brahmins. I do not need to prove this, but you will get 100 of articles in Keetru itself. if you want I can give you the link // I have clearly explained that these riots are because they are getting drastically less share of the wealth they deserve, which is due to swindling by brahmins drastically more than what they deserve. You too know it very well. But you pretend as it you don;t know. //I cannot help this, but majority of brahmins follow strict ethics and morals. Your heart knows this, but you will not accept because of your hatred towards brahmins// Please show me a single brahmin who accept that they should not swindle more than what they deserve. That in all positions (from bottom to top) all community people should be represented in proportion to thier population. Swindling enrmous part of the wealth and keeping quiet is not ethics. If the brahmins want to talk about ethisc, then immediate steps theyshould take to reduce their representation in higher position in proportion to their population and increasr their representaion in lower levels in proportion to their population. Without doing this talking ethics is not possible at all. //Because of their good moral, ethics and education, brahmins are in high position. What ethics and iota will it be to bring down brahmins ? -// Again a wild joke. Brahmins are in high position only by unfair means. While intellect is conferred on all community people, if the represention is not in proportion result is only by unfair means. It is ethics only if the brahmins who climbed up by unfair means are pulled down. Otherwise it causes inefficient people occupy high positions and spoil the country. //Instead why cant you work hard to cultivate morals and ethics in other communities for their upliftment.// It is a perfect cribbing. A lot of oppressed community people who are more intelligent, more hard working, more morally good than brahmins are deliberately deprived. An iota of example is Madam Dr.Vasantrha's grievence in the posting in I.I.T. Madras. Please know that if merit alone is considered you will not get even 3%. Only unfair means and atrocities by state power you live. //You have reservation, concession, scholarship and hell lot of other things and still want to bring brahmins down for your upliftment - what kind of mean and silly thinking you have man ?// Why are joking wildly again? Reservation is not implemented at all for important posts. in the name of reservation only unimportant posts are filled up. Knowing it very well why do you crib? Trying to expose the brahmins' atrocities is not mean and silly thinking. //Growup man.. Sorry to say this, but with this type of mindset, you will not be able to comeup even in another 2 centuries also.// No, Mr.Chandar! We are not able to come up for more than 20 centuries because our people still do not understand brahmins' atrocities and wickedness.
Chandar
@Rajendran: //Mr.Chandar! We are not able to come up for more than 20 centuries because our people still do not understand brahmins' atrocities and wickedness.// - Good point. Which means either this is an acceptance that 'brahmin's attrocities and wickedness' is non existing or it is 97% super brains - ROFTL. :-):-).
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! I doubted only your knowledge of English. Now you make me to doubt wheter you are in sane state of mind. How do you decide that wickedness and atrocities of brahmins non existance, when they exist centuries long. Also that how do you decied non existance of super brains of non brahmins which is simply against nature.
Chandar
@Rajendran AKA professor AKA Sane O brain: Where did I say that non brahmins dont have super brains ? Majority of the non brahmins have the brain to understand that brahmins are not the root cause for your suffering. It is your infighting that is causing your downfall. It is only the false propoganda of people like you who like to put blame on others rather than interrogating from within.
Rajendran
Mr.Chnadar! //Where did I say that non brahmins dont have super brains ? // Then how will you understand your words? //Majority of the non brahmins have the brain to understand that brahmins are not the root cause for your suffering.// That is grave mistake by the oppressed people. //It is your infighting that is causing your downfall.// When the state should take in the deserving people for important places how the infighting comes on the way? //It is your infighting that is causing your downfall. //It is only the false propoganda of people like you who like to put blame on others rather than interrogating from within.//When intellecgt is conferred to all commubnity people, if brahmins alone are taken to high positions, is not due to wicked means, i.e. wicked means by the beneficieries, i.e., by brahmins? If it is brought to the light, is it false propoganda?
Chandar
@Rajendran: Please read your own post dt: 22.8.2013. Read the last line //No, Mr.Chandar! We are not able to come up for more than 20 centuries because our people still do not understand brahmins' atrocities and wickedness// - are you suspecting the understanding capacity of your own people ?. Now read my post dt: 23.8.2013(12:20:40) - // Majority of the non brahmins have the brain to understand that brahmins are not the root cause for your suffering. It is your infighting that is causing your downfall. It is only the false propoganda of people like you who like to put blame on others rather than interrogating from within // Now read my question dt: 23.8.2013(10:04:03) Good point. Which means either this is an acceptance that 'brahmin's attrocities and wickedness' is non existing or it is 97% super brains - ROFTL. :-):-) // It is you who has suspected and still suspecting, not me. It is again you who has said that all brahmins are evils, cheats, frauds and you still believe thats the way. I am repeating, you have to interospect from within, rather than blaming others.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! It is due to the pressure on them thrusted by you misusing state power. There is no suspicion at all that brahmins' wickedness alone is the reason a for all calamities in Indian society. Alright Mr.Chandar. why are you not answering the question that while intellect is conferred on all pqople, how brahmins alone are selected for hgher position?
Chandar
@Rajendran: //Alright Mr.Chandar. why are you not answering the question that while intellect is conferred on all pqople, how brahmins alone are selected for hgher position?// - I dont believe that brahmins are only selected for higher position. Anyone who is smart, hardworking, pro-active and forward thing will occupy top position in whichever place they are and in any arena they are. If you believe that only brahmins are in top superior position, this is exactly called inferiority complex. I cannot help it, but can just laugh. //There is no suspicion at all that brahmins' wickedness alone is the reason a for all calamities in Indian society.// - simple 'Theedhum nandrum pirar thara vaaraa'.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! //I dont believe that brahmins are only selected for higher position.// You can not fool others. See the persons occupied in the offieces of PM, President, Parliement secretariat, CBI, RBI, Atomic Research Institutions etc., etc., ... More than 90% are brahmins only. //Anyone who is smart, hardworking, pro-active and forward thing will occupy top position in whichever place they are and in any arena they are. // Smartness, hardworking, pro-active and forward thing qualities are not conferred to brahmins only. People of all communiies are also have these qualities. But they are denied chances by wickedness of brahmins. An iota of example is denial of deserving chance to Madam, Dr.Vasantha in IIT Madras. //If you believe that only brahmins are in top superior position, this is exactly called inferiority complex.// It is not the belief Mr.Chandar, it is a fact that ineffiicient brahmins get high chances and deserving oppressed community people do not get chance. It shows clear inferiority complex of brahmins that they are very much afraid of other community people who may clearly bring to light the brahmins' inability, if they get chance at higher positions. //I cannot help it, but can just laugh. // We very well know ou will not help. Also we know you will laugh because state power is at your disposal for misusing. //'Theedhum nandrum pirar thara vaaraa'.// Though diverse from divers sages' lips we learn, 'Tis wisdom's part in each true things to discern.
Chandar
//எந்தவொரு பொருள்குறித்து எவர் எதைச் சொன்னாலும், அதை அப்படியே நம்பி ஏற்றுக் கொள்ளாமல் உண்மை எது என்பதை ஆராய்ந்து தெளிவதுதான் அறிவுடைமையாகும்// - The masses have been brilliant in understanding that brahmins are not the only cause for their being. On the contrary you say that masses have not understood things. That means you are suspecting your own people's understanding capacity.
Rajendran
Many time I have explained that the oppressed community people are under pressure due to misuse of state power by brahmins. They very well understand that brahmins are root cause for beings. But they could not express it due to pressure on them by your wicked state power. When intellect is conferred on all people, selection of persons should also be from all community. But the reallity is not so. From this, even a person with knowledge / wisdom at well below average can understand this. You too understand the same very well. But due to you ulterior motive (to keep brahmins in high posotions even, if they are not competent and not to allow the oppressed community people to high positions, even if they are competent) makes you to pretend otherwise.
Chandar
@Rajendran: You have an ultimate motive to hate brahmins and therefore attributing your present status to brahmins and not willing to accept that your destiny is in your hands. In the process you have suspected the understanding capacity of the masses. Thanks.
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! You prove that you are pretending. I don't suspect the undy of the masses. My question is wihle the masses have the understanding capacity, talent, knowledge, wisdom etc. how brahmins alone are selected for higher position.
Chandar
@Rajendran: Again it is because of their ego, undue aggression and in fighting that masses fail. It is not because of others or brahmins. Leave all ego, aggression and come out smart, you can also occupy high positions. DOT :-)
Rajendran
Mr.Chandar! Do you believe barhmins are free from ego? There should be a limit to bluff. How are you able to completely hide Madam Dr.Vasantha's case in IIT Madras, which is a clear proof of brahmins' wickedness.
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